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  1. Hello ! Here is a VOA of the MTF CASTROL SYNTRANS TRANSAXLE 75W-90 used in my Santa Fé I PDS: http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/25B6B37FACE3ADD280257D9600301434/$File/BPXE-8CNEHV_0.pdf
  2. Hi, A VOA of Pennasol Super Pace 5w-40 API SN, HC (MSDS says 40-75%) based on recycled base
  3. Hi all, My friend has done this VOA, thanks to him. This is a mixed fleet oil: ACEA A3/B4-07 E7-07 API SL / CI-4 PDS: http://www.meguin.de/liquimoly/mediendb.nsf/gfx2/A1160A4C0CDBCC24C125788C004E9B39/$file/4356_2082009-PI-%204356%20en.pdf Enjoy ! F57097mod.pdf
  4. VOA of a basic GL-5 from Pennasol http://www.pennasol.com/a1v2/wp-content/downloads/Getriebeoele/150143_PEN_PI_Multigrade_Hypoid_Geartec_GL_5_SAE_75W-90_SAE_75W-90_EN_V1.pdf
  5. Hi all, Sorry to write in english, I am from Sweden and I don't write russian, by I read this forum with pleasure with google translation.. Here is an UOA of my 332 000 km 1994 Volvo 945 with B200F engine, with tractor oil Q8 1000D STOU 10W30. This car mainly does 7km trips, engine cold (no warmer), twice a day, winter (-20°) and summer (20°). So there is some fuel dilution which drop down TBN fast so I chosed 7500 km OCI. UOA look nice with this cheap oil, despite some silicon du to air filter problem... http://www.lubebase.com/cgi-bin/ctl/lube/Q8-T1000-10W-30?id=9818
  6. Both are VOA, I changed all oil in the second hand Santa Fé I bought and sent samples of new oils for analysis. No old oil analysis as I have no historic of the car, so useless... - New Castrol Transaxle in Gearbox - New Ravenol LS in Transfer case and rear axle I wanted a low pourpoint and good low temp viscosity for the gearbox in winter, and on the paper, it was ok... I thought that the Transaxle would be as rich as the Syntrans V FE analysed on this forum, but it is very poor... The Castrol has a lower pourpoint than the Ravenol VSG, so I went for the Castrol... Next time, I will try the VSG...
  7. Sorry, google translate is not clear for that... If it means Castrol is expensive, I got it on eBay.de at a good price (12,20 €/L), not more than other Ravenol or else, and it was the only 75w-90 with a very low pourpoint and good low temperature viscosity needed for Sweden. Castrol seems to be expensive for engine oil (I never use it), but not to much for synthetic transmission oil... For the low 100°C viscosity, I am not afraid by that. The big question on a gearbox oil is how long the viscosity will remain high... I prefer a synthetic oil with 13 at 0km and 12 at 50 000km to a mineral oil at 15 at 0km and 9 at 50 000 km... But we will not have the answer to this question with only a virgin oil analysis...
  8. I change the oil one week ago with Castol Transaxle. The shifting a 0°C is very good, better than with the old 75W inside. To late to see at -30°C A sample in on the lab way, and i will post the VOA here.
  9. Hi all, доброе утро ! I am sorry, I live in Sweden so I don't speak russian ... I hope some people speak english here I've just bought a 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe with a manual gearbox, and I want to change its fluid. The Hyundai recomandation is 75w90 GL4 but I live in Sweden and the swedish manual gives 75w. I am very disappointed with those 75W... The lowest temperature here is -30°C (-22°F). I have also check the russian recomandation: it is also 75w90 with the same (or worse) lowest temperature. I understand the 75W will have a lower viscosity at lower temperatures, but the optimal viscosity in running operation will also be divided by 2 ! According to this article: http://www.engineersedge.com/gears/gear_lubricant_characteristics.htm I should stick to a 75w90 with a pourpoint lower than -35°C (-31°F), and not put a 75W ... So why a 75W ? because in 2003 there was no synthetic 75w90 with low pourpoint ? So what do you think is the best, 75W or 75w90 with a low pourpoint ? Thanks ! спасибо !
  10. Which 75w90 ? @ Low temperature The problem with the SAE grades, is that there are too large to describe the real viscosity of the oil. For example, lets graph 4 oils, same manufacturer: - CASTROL SYNTRAX UNIVERSAL PLUS 75W-90: http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/1A3697364D166E73802578330059B9B3/$File/BPXE-8E2UVT_0.pdf - Castrol Syntrans Transaxle 75W-90: http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/EC84FE6106F9401C8025790A0066B142/$File/BPXE-8LRA39_0.pdf - Castrol Syntrans 75W-85: http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/037F653E1B01E4DD80257B8D003580D7/$File/BPXE-98RPND.pdf - Castrol Syntrans B 75W: http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/C24EBEA9C4433E1A8025790A00656DAF/$File/BPXE-8LR9LH_0.pdf As you can see, if you chose the SYNTRAX UNIVERSAL PLUS 75W-90, the low temperature real viscosity will be far over the Castrol Syntrans 75W-85, but if you chose the Castrol Syntrans Transaxle 75W-90, you will have the same low temperature profile, not so far the 75w... So, SAE grades like 75w85 or 75w90 is not enough to describe a low viscosity performance... For this reason, I will not choose the Hyundai or Ravenol MTF-1 oil, because they don't give their V40 an V100 needed to graph a real viscosity profile... I will only choose between oils for which I have theese informations... Castrol give them for example. @ Running temperature My original question about 75W vs 75W90 was not concerning the low temperature performance, but the running temperature. The 75w has a low 100° viscosity, about the half of a 75w90, so I was wondering what about the concequences of using a thinner oil film at running temp on those gearboxes.
  11. The SF 1 russian manual from 2001 to 2006 give 75w90: http://hyundai.com1.ru:8041/WWW/Santafe/SFManualrus.zip The SF 2 russian manual give 75w85: http://hyundairu.com/assets/santafe%202010.pdf But those Hyundai oils are not synthetic and I have no informations about them, so I prefer switch to synthetic oils. So I compared the 2 synthetic Castrol 75w85 and 75w90 Transaxle: The cold temperature viscosity is quite the same, only the hot viscosity is different. My problem with the Castrol 75w85 is that it seems available only in Russia... Not listed in Germany or Sweden...
  12. Thank you. I have planned to use Castrol Syntrans Transaxle 75W-90 if it works, easier to find here http://www.frontier.ro/files/pdf/syntr%20axle.pdf
  13. 1. Partly it's higher because of the 1 qt added (the main reason) 1/4 x TBN 11.5 + 3/4 x TBN 4.5 = 6,25 2. Partly it's higher because the engine is relatively clean after shorter OCI Well, quite the same OCI than the other 4,5 3. Partly it's higher because of the new method of measuring (I'm not sure about it). 6,25 + 25% = 7,8 Even with an optimistic computation, it is quite hard to reach 8,1 I have no VOA of the q8, but TBN should be arround 11 Maybe the cleaner oil has also some effect... We will see with next UOA...
  14. Hi all, this is my new report for my old Volvo. This Volvo 940 only run cold for 5 to 10 km trip. The biggest trip is 60 km twice a month... Red block B200F engine. The oil is a tractor oil, Q8 T1000D, base group I (http://www.oils.am/home/242.html) Filter is a PureOne PL14670 The head was replaced during oil change by a second hand one. Previous UOA is here: http://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/9774-1994-volvo-945-q8-t1000d-dino-10w30-8000-km/page__p__245084__hl__volvo+945__fromsearch__1#entry245084 1. Fist the good news: the Pureone give a better filtration than the Mann used previously (see previous UOA with PC), for the same price Now the bad news: 2. High silicon: The air filter is a Volvo one, and it is the same than in the previous OCI. I used some silicon gasket for the head cover, which can explain the higher score. But anyway, Silicon is still high... I don't know why ... I supposed the engine is eating salt (See Na) and sand during used in winter in Sweden, but is strange it pass threw the air filter... So no idea... 3. High iron: no high associated Cr and Al, so I think it is not cylinders and camshaft., 4. High Cu: There is Tin also, so combined with the high iron, I suspect valves/guide problem with the new old head... Why ? I don't know... 5. Viscosity drop: knwon problem with this low quality base... Comments are welcome !
  15. Thats the new answer: > Hi Alex, > > Thank you for your answer, but I still don't understand something ... > > I read on BITOG ( http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3407761/TBN_methodology_changing_at_Bl ) : "We have always run a modified version of ASTM D-4739, but our machine was calibrated using standards that more closely matched to ASTM D-2896. We are now moving to standards that are more closely aligned with D-4739" > > So, as I understand, the new true D-4739 should be less than the old D-2896 clone ? So for an older 4, I should have now 3, and not 8 ? > > Or, do I miss something ? Hi PM, You're not really missing anything except that Ryan was talking about virgin oil with that post. Used oil is a different thing altogether and we've been seeing TBN's on used oil come back either unchanged or little higher in most cases with the new standard. Hope that helps. Alex So, "little higher" is not 4 to 8 for me, so the exact cause of that remains...
  16. What I can read is: "We have always run a modified version of ASTM D-4739, but our machine was calibrated using standards that more closely matched to ASTM D-2896. We are now moving to standards that are more closely aligned with D-4739" so now it should be "true" ASTM D-4739
  17. Yes, it seems, I have just received an answer from BS about it: PM, Thanks for the email. You asked about a different methodology for TBN's and you're correct. Like any industry, oil analysis is always updating and this past summer we modified the TBN process. Since then, the TBN's have been coming back higher than before. The previous system was bad by any means, but what we have now is a more accurate assessment of the oil's acid neutralizing ability. Like you saw last time, the TBN should stabilize from here, just at a higher level. Let me know if you have any other questions and have a great day. Alex Miller Blackstone Labs
  18. Btw, what I have read that the most damaging particle size by volume is 5-10 microns. Comparing the 2 isocodes, <= 10µ particles drop from 18521 to 4351, so a 77% decrease. So thats why I think it should perform better.
  19. Yes, to many So we cannot solve all the problems with a limited numbers of experiments, but we try to do the best
  20. For me, wear caused by particles in suspension in the oil doesn't rely on how long is your OCI, it just depends on the number and sizes of particles at every moment, so depend only on the filtration ability of the filter. What rely on the OCI is the ability of the filter to store a certain amount of wear material. Mann and Purolator are both able to store enough material for a normal OCI. For the next OCI, I have Super Pace 5w40 + Mann W917. I will see the results, and next, I will go with Super Pace + PureOne. If I see again an increase in Fe+Cu+Sn, I will considere it is not coincidental, and that there is a (flow) problem with pureone filter. For now, I can just conclude "better filtration". I need more experiment...
  21. Thats the question In my opinion, this better should give a better long term wear because studies have proved that by-pass filtering improve long term wear. I think it but I cannot prove it... Anyway, the prices of a purolator and a Mann are not far different (9€/11€ with shipment), so personnaly, I will finish my stock of w917 and switch to Pureone. If there was a big price difference, I will keep the Mann
  22. You point a good point ! Blackstone TBN methodologie has changed between the two UOA: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3407761/TBN_methodology_changing_at_Bl But they say that the new TBN should be 25% lower, so the 8,1 question remains ...
  23. Yes but you cannot conclude on one sample, furthermore with the head just changed. As I said, you need a long term experiment with lot of sample to have statistical series long enough to conclude something which have some chance to be true... The only sure thing is it filters better...
  24. Well, oil was the same, driver and drinving also. The first UOA include April to December period, and the second Janury to October, so there are winter and summer periods in both sample. It is not perfect, but it is the best I can do The purpose of the experiment was to confirm that the purolator filters better. This purpose was achevied. But as you notice, it is impossible to have an idea of the CONSEQUENCES of this better filtration in only 8000km. The wear metals are the same. This need a long term experiment for that, and I cannot do it because I don't drive enough km by year... BUT, a lot of experiments were done on by-pass filtration which showed that a better filtration give a less long term wear. Of course, by-pass filtration give a far better filtration than a pureone. But I keep thinking (maybe I am wrong), that the pure one, with its competitive price worth its money and could give a better long term wear result. As long as you avoid flow problems One thing is strange and need to be confirmed: the big TBN ! Consequence of the better filtration ? or just an accident ? The oil comes from the same 20liters can... So the same